pdxguy
Well-Known Member
I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be laws in place. However, I do feel that in most cases, the laws in place are sufficient and that people (law enforcement, government, politicians, and so forth) should spend more time focusing on enforcing these laws than continuing to make new laws that still aren't going to get enforced.
I agree that it's obvious that in some cases it is MUCH better to have the laws & regulations in place. This does limit the immediate access to people in the position of 'spur of the moment/anger crimes' and gives them a 'cooling off' period before the weapon can be handed over. It may also provide time for more extensive background checks, should a possible flag be raised on an initial check.
On the other hand there is the argument regarding your rights to privacy so to speak. If we are law abiding citizens who choose to own guns, then we should be able to do so, without question. The problem then becomes, how do you establish who is 'law abiding'? For the purpose of establishing the right to own a weapon, then various checks such as the current background check would be able establish this 'right'. The problem here then becomes your right to privacy.
I realize that it has already been stated in this thread that guns will NOT be taken away. This is true for the moment, and probably for the next while, especially having a gun toting red neck in office. On the other hand, we do switch presidents every soft often, and each one has their own issues, thoughts and beliefs regarding guns and gun control. As we saw during the Clinton years, there was a definite threat of people losing the right to either own guns, or atleast the right to own various types of guns. Many people do own fully automatic rifles in the states, many people own gun silencers as well, and in some cases and states these are completely legal. (I'm not getting into PREBAN, there's a lot of misconcept regarding that and I'm not going there) Clinton did push for bans on guns, especially assault rifles.
Many people do believe that if the government manages to somehow change the 2nd admendment, they could simply walk-in unannounced and take your weapons. IF this were to happen, they would be able to print out a little list that says exactly who owns guns, what the address is, and go on a collection spree. Sure there would be some outrage, some form of rebellion, but the bottom line is - they would have a named list of any offenders.
If we, as law abiding citizens, can own guns then we should be able to without question. We should be able to have whatever we want, whether it's fully automatic, silenced, or not. Sure, I can see the need for permits if we want to carry a concealed weapon. However, we should have the right to carry concealed if we meet the requirements to own a handgun. Single states should not be able to outlaw that right at their discretion. If you apply for a CCW, can legally own, you should be granted the right to do so.
Also, as mentioned above, I can see the need for background checks and other ways to rule out those without the right to own. However, I can also see the 'privacy' issue as well. My primary concern is that all of these damned people in office simply leave the gun laws alone. Enforce the rules that are there, and leave the modifications out. Stop trying to ban everything, stop trying to limit my rights - when I have done nothing 'wrong'.
I agree that it's obvious that in some cases it is MUCH better to have the laws & regulations in place. This does limit the immediate access to people in the position of 'spur of the moment/anger crimes' and gives them a 'cooling off' period before the weapon can be handed over. It may also provide time for more extensive background checks, should a possible flag be raised on an initial check.
On the other hand there is the argument regarding your rights to privacy so to speak. If we are law abiding citizens who choose to own guns, then we should be able to do so, without question. The problem then becomes, how do you establish who is 'law abiding'? For the purpose of establishing the right to own a weapon, then various checks such as the current background check would be able establish this 'right'. The problem here then becomes your right to privacy.
I realize that it has already been stated in this thread that guns will NOT be taken away. This is true for the moment, and probably for the next while, especially having a gun toting red neck in office. On the other hand, we do switch presidents every soft often, and each one has their own issues, thoughts and beliefs regarding guns and gun control. As we saw during the Clinton years, there was a definite threat of people losing the right to either own guns, or atleast the right to own various types of guns. Many people do own fully automatic rifles in the states, many people own gun silencers as well, and in some cases and states these are completely legal. (I'm not getting into PREBAN, there's a lot of misconcept regarding that and I'm not going there) Clinton did push for bans on guns, especially assault rifles.
Many people do believe that if the government manages to somehow change the 2nd admendment, they could simply walk-in unannounced and take your weapons. IF this were to happen, they would be able to print out a little list that says exactly who owns guns, what the address is, and go on a collection spree. Sure there would be some outrage, some form of rebellion, but the bottom line is - they would have a named list of any offenders.
If we, as law abiding citizens, can own guns then we should be able to without question. We should be able to have whatever we want, whether it's fully automatic, silenced, or not. Sure, I can see the need for permits if we want to carry a concealed weapon. However, we should have the right to carry concealed if we meet the requirements to own a handgun. Single states should not be able to outlaw that right at their discretion. If you apply for a CCW, can legally own, you should be granted the right to do so.
Also, as mentioned above, I can see the need for background checks and other ways to rule out those without the right to own. However, I can also see the 'privacy' issue as well. My primary concern is that all of these damned people in office simply leave the gun laws alone. Enforce the rules that are there, and leave the modifications out. Stop trying to ban everything, stop trying to limit my rights - when I have done nothing 'wrong'.
